>> was the origin of the program. who came up with this idea, where did it come from? it is based on the fact that when the strike force was initiated the idea of the program as organization -- who came up with this idea, was it you or somebody higher up the food chain? >> the idea for what, sir? >> the whole program. >> it's one investigation, sir. it's one investigation. >> well, where -- where was -- i mean, the selling of the guns, the giving of the guns in the fast and furious, where did that come from, who made the decision? >> well, sir, we have a policy that allows the transfer to pursue the targets and investigation and identify. >> there were as many as 2,000 firearms, is that correct? >> yes, sir.